Okay, so I was rewatching the Gathering and there is the part where it is revealed that the disguised Minbari has poisoned Kosh. Now my problem is that Kosh is, for all intents and purposes, energy, how can you physically poison energy?
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Re: Only thing that has ever bothered me.
Thu, February 23, 2006 - 2:31 PMDoes Kosh contain any biomaterial at all? If any part of him is biomatter rather than bioenergy, poison could theoretically work. -
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Thu, February 23, 2006 - 9:41 PMMaybe it was negiative energy, antimater, or just bad Karma? -
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 12:21 AMIf I remember correctly, the doctor's lab was able to analyze it as a poison, so it would have had to have been something that B5's computer system already recognized as a poison, which would presumably mean as a poison for material life forms as opposed to energy beings, which I don't think they had any real experience with yet. -
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 7:34 AMBut more to the point, how can that Minbari assassin know enough about Vorlon physiology to know what poisons a Vorlon? I mean, we all know how mysterous the Vorlon Empire is. And though the Minbari Federation may have had relations with the Vorlons for longer than most other civilizations, chances are that the Vorlon revealed very little about themselves to the Minbari during all that time. -
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 10:29 AMI really wonder what JMS would say to this. If we are to assume that the Vorlons are like the humans at the end of B5 where we live in encounter suits I remember the scene at the end where the narrator transforms himself into some energy like substance that flows into the encounter suit. Was there biological material there? And I doubt very seriously the Minbari had enough info about the Vorlons to know what could kill it. It took the remnant of Kosh to kill the replacement Vorlon. Thoughts to ponder.
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 10:31 AMWell, but the Minbari had had a relationship with the Vorlon going back a thousand years; so it's presumable that they might have known much more about Vorlon phisiology.
Remember, too, that Kosh's quarters had a very special atmosphere. Which means it apparently still needed to breath, somehow (remember, the encounter suit breathed as well). If it breathed, then someone could probably poison it. -
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Sat, February 25, 2006 - 3:06 PMOkay that I buy. Yet I'm not sure it was breathing since Kosh left his encounter suit to save Sheridan when the tube blew up. And he seemed to do just fine. -
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Sat, February 25, 2006 - 5:21 PM> since Kosh left his encounter suit to save Sheridan when the tube blew up. And he seemed to do just fine.
Do realize that humans can survive exposure to hard vacuume for up to 2 minutes. We can also survive for a few minutes underwater.
Also, the assasin may have had information from the Shadows.
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Sun, February 26, 2006 - 8:43 PM>Okay that I buy. Yet I'm not sure it was breathing since Kosh left his encounter suit to save Sheridan when the tube blew up.
Yes, and remember, Kosh was then not seen for quite some time, explaining later that being seen by that many people outside the encounter suit had drained him. -
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Mon, February 27, 2006 - 1:23 PMHere's a couple other thoughts: Since Kosh doesn't so much transform in to other forms, he appears as multiple forms depending on the observer, the suit doesn't so much help him breathe as it protects his identity. Having a different atmosphere in his quarters adds to his mystique and image he's presenting to the folks he's working with, as well as limiting access to his personage, though it may be superfluous to his personal needs. It could also be an atmophere which is better suited to his energy form, I guess. If the latter was the case, and we assume the suit supports that environment, then would it not be possible to have poisoned the atmosphere within the suit, rather than the being directly? -
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Tue, February 28, 2006 - 12:19 AMAh, now there is an explanation that makes sense to me. Thank you.
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Tue, February 28, 2006 - 4:07 AMnow i like the this idea of why Kosh is in the suit. plus it's his armor and weapon combined.
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Tue, March 7, 2006 - 3:10 PM"then would it not be possible to have poisoned the atmosphere within the suit, rather than the being directly?"
That makes sense. And looking back, JMS probably would have done it that way. However, when Lita goes into his mind, she sees the assassin shake hands with Kosh, and place the poison on the back of his right hand. She even tells the doctor that the poison was on a skin tab.
I think JMS didn't have all the details planned out completely when The Gathering filmed, and changed little stuff like that when the show was picked up as a series. -
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Tue, March 7, 2006 - 3:25 PMConsidering that Kosh was holding Sheridan afternhe lept from the axis tram, Vorlons must have the ability to solidify part or all of their bodies for some period of time. Likely, Kosh made his hand solid for the ceremonial greeting with Sinclair. Remember, Kosh does know that Sinclair will go on to become Valen so the first meeting (at least from Sinclair's perspective/timeline) would be an honor and might justify a solidification and contact.
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Fri, March 10, 2006 - 3:47 PM>Remember, Kosh does know that Sinclair will go on to become Valen so the first meeting<
That was bit of re-editing happened to the pilot after "The War Without End." There was probably something else in his mind originally.
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Fri, March 10, 2006 - 3:44 PMAnd, additionally, as, Sinclair pondered breifly somwehre: How'd they get teh poison INSIDE the encounter suit.
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Fri, March 10, 2006 - 7:05 PMTrue. No one in B5 is exactly who they seem to be.
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Thu, June 15, 2006 - 8:43 PMI dont know how happy I am about the way this one was explained away either. But the answer that was given was that Kosh did not actually put out a hand, that this was the only way that it could be "percieved" by her.
